have to admit I was a little upset at first. But it makes sense overall--I'm curious to know if traffic has dropped, and if so, wonder if it will be temporary...

As a business owner, I frequently post jobs on the DSVC site. I hate to see the free aspect of it disappear, as I think more than anything it was a reflection of the spirit of the organization, which is different than that of similar organizations and part of what makes DSVC special. I do, however, understand the need to get things paid for, so at the end of the day I have no problem with having to pay to post a job.

My concern, rather, is that by limiting those that are available to view the listings to ONLY DSVC MEMBERS, you've not only now asked me to pay for what was previously free, but you've DRASTICALLY reduced the number of people that will see it. Its like you've doubled the price of the hamburger your selling but made it a quarter of the original size.

What about people that don't live in Dallas but are considering a move? What about students that aren't members?

If this website it created to serve members, I think the best bet would be to have access to the listings be free. BUT, if that's out of the question, what if we could offer a 24 hour or 30 day access... something for people who really just want to look at the job listings, for a nominal fee. It might ultimately capture more dollars as people would be willing to spend $10 or $15 but are currently just leaving because they're unwilling to spend $150 for membership.

Just my two cents. I hope the DSVC chooses to address this.

yeah i think it sux that u have to pay to see the job posts, but everyone has to remember that design is a bit of a click. You see you have to be popular to be friends with the popular kids in school. And with design you have to be a designer before you can be a designer. So making people pay to get paid with a job just fits along with all the other crap in the design world. So DSVC keep on promoting that snobby design image it's what keeps this field enjoyable and alive.

It's amazing the comments so far on the posts. I see it as a perk for being a member to see job posting.

Usually to get good talent the employer would go to a search firm to find potential candidates and if the employer found someone then it would pay the search firm a % of the salary the employee would make. Which usually would be thousands of dollars. The fee DSVC charge is minimal, doesn't anyone see this benefit?

The person looking for a job needs to be a member or become a member to search for jobs. Because the jobs are 100% of the market of a potential employer.

Ever check out the classifieds in the paper, well that's the alternative or the other Creative club that's national (that you have to be a member of to see the job board). Or how about the other Gigantic job board on the web where the job seeker is looking along with a million other individuals.

If your a member then what a perk. You paid for the opportunity to find jobs in your field with top employers.

I've been a member for 15 years and the DSVC is not snobby nor does it sux or is it a click.

I would say DSVC is the largest local design club in the USA, if you want to get inspired, motivated, meet other creatives and build relationships that you'll have for years then join.

The alternative is being self absorbed, motivated through self, inspired by self. Sounds boring.

It's not to late to become a DSVC member.

Casey

As an extreemly active member of the DSVC, I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and opinions. There is some great feedback and new ideas for the job boards.

About a year ago the DSVC board of directors (made up of all kinds of volunteer members) made the decision to limit the job boards to members only. We wanted to offer more to the group of people that help fund and support our club. The people that keep the club (including the job boards) going year after year after year. Our decisions are made with a lot of thought. We put countless hours into keeping the club active and successful.

I hate that it upsets people and that it turns some off of the idea of DSVC. I still believe that the DSVC is a group of people who are open and excited about creative work. We are not trying to exclude people, just make sure that the club is around for another 50 years. I do believe that it is worth the "splurge of membership dues." And I also understand that some times making the financial commitment is difficult. However, the members who have made that committment will benefit from the clubs offerings.

We will continue to discuss the options that have been brought up. Until then, we will keep collecting information and seeing how the change has affected the club and our members.

Ann

I too think it's a mistake to contain the job board behind a membership wall.

If you want to monetize the value of the DSVC job board, all you have to do is look at what every other job board on the internet does for a model. None of them charge job-seekers for the 'privilege'. The model requires having as many job-seekers as possible looking at listings to maximize the value of a paid job posting from the employers. Every job board out there is either free to all, or only charges employers. Charging on both ends will completely kill the value of the board. I know I'll not be paying $75 to post a listing that only 800 (mostly employed) people will see. I'll be going to 37s.

I know Mark and I discussed this with some board members a couple of years ago when the idea of making the DSVC website a member privilege first came up. I thought it was a bad idea then, and it's still a bad idea now. Having premium content behind a log in is fine, but putting EVERYTHING behind it means that your primary marketing tool for new members just shrank to a couple of pages with no reason for them to return.

Membership in the DSVC represents a fraction of the creative community in Dallas, and despite being the largest local club in the country, the DSVC has hardly cornered the market. There's a lot of room for growth, but the website which had a big potential for tapping that market has been made impotent by this members only policy.

If you want to give members a perk in this area - allow members to post listings for free, and charge non-members.

The Dallas Ad League also requires membership in order to view job listings. I don't know the effect that has on site activity or response to the postings, but I know the club has been in existence 100 years now.

yeah I've noticed how you have to login for aiga. fortunately for me i never use them, how unfortunate for them, their greed scheme didn't work.

Dsvc don't be so greedy.I guess you think you're so important that people will have register to see your job listing, resulting in major funds for your club. However there are so many free job listing sites out there I think you will only turn people off buy making them pay just to see your stupid jobs. Most designers show up on a companys doorstep without even looking at job listings for the area. I seriously hope you reconsider these actions.

The DSVC SHOULD leave the job board behind a login for everyone.

Really.

As an employer, I can understand the need to charge $75 to post a job. I don't understand though why youu limit the job prospects however. DSVC members are probably happily employed and not interested in a new job. I often hire new talent trying to get a foothold in the design field, and these people can't afford $150 to join DSVC. I think you will ultimately kill off the job boards and limit the people who want to join in the future.

So I paid to be a member and happy to but I expected to see the list updated daily like it use to. But then I see how you charge to list...I'm a little disappointed I expected the list to be as good as it was when it was free. Maybe just a little better since money in now all involved.

I'm still glad to be member I just thought it would be better than craigslist and I don't mean that in a bad way just...they always have something new posted.

So today a film company that I'm working with had posted on craigslist and he was over whelmed with bad resume (he said over 500.) I actually said then pay the $75 to post on DSVC. He's from CA and didn't know about DSVC so I told him and he emailed back "hell yes that's worth the money.Just going through the emails said it drove him crazy." So I thought I would let you guys know ya'll were right. How's it feel? Pretty good I bet.

Thanks for all your thoughts about the job board. Your perspectives helped us arrive at a simple solution that benefits the interests of everyone (the DSVC, members, non-members, and employers).

As of today, members have immediate priority access to all job postings. Non-members can view all job postings that are over 10 days old.

This provides members first crack at new jobs but doesn’t limit the employer’s audience to members only.

The job boards have been a topic of great discussion at the DSVC board meetings. As this site grows and changes over time, the DSVC feels it is important to keep in mind the purpose of this site. The primary purpose is to build a community, share knowledge and promote the DSVC organization and it’s events. The job board is a part of that, but only a small part. DSVC.org can’t compete with sites like Monster, Career Builder, or Craig’s list. Nor should it.